Nick

what is it like to believe in heaven?

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I think I reread this 10 times..

"Now we know that faith is the belief in things hoped-for, the evidence of things unseen."

I've found that my confidence in things eternal, my belief in the ability of Christ to instantaneously transmute the mess I've made into something that can survive the fire of Judgement Day, rests on my focus.

Was it Morpheus or Qui Gon Jin who told his apprentice, "Your focus determines your reality"?

Doesn't matter. There is some truth to that for those who give intellectual assent to the divinity and lordship of Jesus. Sometimes, (this sounds a little crazy) I just close my eyes and visualize what heaven must be like. I take a page from Mr. Lewis's more poetic work and settle down in Aslan's Country...which looks a LOT like this park in the mountains near here...on a clear, cool spring day to just rest and enjoy the presence of Jesus. I can waste a whole afternoon like this when I have the time to spend. When I get lost in this kind of meditative rest, it changes my priorities. It gives me boldnesss and it pushes me to do things that I would never do otherwise. This sort of cultivated expectation may only be a substtute for belief (in the truest sense). I can't explain the fleeting nature of its effects otherwise.

The trick is cultivating a consistant belief like this...that WOULD indeed make someone dangerous to be around.

(I can't believe that you posted this in so many christian forums and no one has jumped you yet...this post is a little bit too crazy, carefree and dangerous.)

Thanks for sharing...very thought provoking.

There's nothing wrong with Birmingham (UK ), but it emphatically isn't Aslan country. Nevertheless, I think I'll follow your lead and 'cultivate expectation' - especially if it changes priorities and imparts boldness. It strikes me as an excellent, perhaps essential spiritual discipline. I'm sure it's not just a substitute (or even a supplement) for belief; belief should be something you do with your whole person, including your imagination. Anyway, it sounds like very pleasant recreation if nothing else..

I'm pretty annoyed I haven't been jumped yet. My next post, entitled 'That "Pope" Dude - Just Who Does He Think He Is?' should remedy things.

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Hmmm. I like Taoism, but honestly? I hate Buddhism. Spiritual atheism is something i tend to throw personal anathemas at, often -- justifications for any version of Nihilism rings hollow in my ears.

Heaven can make a person fearless, which in turn indeed makes then dangerous. The example of the suicide bomber leaps to mind. However, Christianity clearly teaches the cross before the crown...

I do wonder with you, tho. Why do so many Christians live their lives like they just drank the dregs of a dill pickle bottle, or undiluted vinegar? I am a third generation Pentecostal -- and my grandparents, and to some extent my parents, were a grim lipped, unsmiling bunch that seemed to exhibit no outward joy in their Christianity. Whats up with that?

Anyway. The whole Buddhism thing is just my own personal opinion - i am in no way judging your excellent post. I just couldn't identify with with your opening illustration.

Peace, Nick!


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Beautiful. =)

Thanks for this.

P.S. - I would love to have a conversation about heaven sometime. It's one of the areas I am most joyfully heretical, at least in the opinion of many.

I share your distaste of spiritual atheism. Buddhism is what human yearning looks like when stripped of revelation: an attempt to get past suffering. But by equating suffering with attachment to 'stuff', you're left equating non-suffering with a state of nothingness.

There's a great poem by Molly Peacock called 'Why I am not a Buddhist' - here's a bit:

...But why is desire suffering?

Because it leaves the world in tatters?

How else but in tatters should a world be?

A focus on the transfiguration of suffering, as opposed to the transcendence of suffering, is what makes Christianity a get-your-hands-dirty, flesh 'n' blood religion.

I think Pure Land Buddhism is an unique case in that it preaches a grace so free that embracing it seems like going into freefall. But any Christian would prefer the Pure Land to nirvana, since it is closer to our conception of heaven. I dislike any Christian view of heaven that has a whiff of nirvana about it. Even the most 'eastern' account of the blessed state, theosis, is the polar opposite of nirvana. Heaven in the Christian sense isn't the eradication of the individual through absorption into the divine; if anything, a citizen of heaven is more individual than s/he was on earth:

'I will also give him a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it.'

Why do so many Christians live their lives like they just drank the dregs of a dill pickle bottle, or undiluted vinegar? I am a third generation Pentecostal -- and my grandparents, and to some extent my parents, were a grim lipped, unsmiling bunch that seemed to exhibit no outward joy in their Christianity. Whats up with that?

I love live their lives like they just drank the dregs of a dill pickle bottle. I'm wondering if what's needed is more of the 'cultivated expectation' of which Tim speaks above. Tried it last night but fell asleep, which is pretty much my body's reaction to any form of spiritual discipline.

However, Christianity clearly teaches the cross before the crown...

That's a crucial distinction. And the Christian conception of martyrdom involves laying down our lives for friends, not laying other people's lives down.

Great, thought provoking comment, as usual.

Joyfully heretical? No way can I resist that!
Nick,

Excellent response -- as far as i can tell, you are incapable of writing a boring post. Peace!

...you are incapable of writing a boring post.

Just watch me rise to that challenge...

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